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‘What Bible are you reading?’

More theologically conservative Presbyterians often ask of more theologically progressive Presbyterians, “What Bible are you reading?” Framed more fully, the question is “How can two people reading the same passages come to completely different conclusions about the veracity, meaning and applicability of the text to the realities of life today?”

 

One receives the Bible as the authentic and reliable revelation of a real God who is sovereign over all time and saw today before the world was ever made. He authored the Bible as a gift of grace so that people could know Him and His will. God has a pre-ordained redemptive plan for history and He is actively working it out even today. This reader desires to discern God's will in order to actively and submissively participate in it.

 

The other receives the Bible as one reference point to the Word of God, but not itself the Word of God. Other points of relevant reference include their life experiences, their perception of Jesus, their aspirations, the concerns of humanity and a progressive view of history. They desire to actively participate in a redemption of all things that is dependent upon human advancement, the cultivation of peace, the equalization of the marginalized and a genuinely pluralistic theology that accepts all religions that help advance that vision of history as equally valid. They also invalidate all religions that do not share their vision.

 

Do you see the difference? We're really talking here about the reality of people of two very different faiths both calling themselves "Presbyterian."

 

The first group regards the second as failing to uphold the most basic of Presbyterian and Reformed essentials, Sola Scriptura, and the second regards the first as “Biblio-idolaters,” worshiping the Bible as a “paper Pope.” If you think I’m exaggerating, read the letters to the editor that we posted on June 1 (especially the one titled “‘I consider much of what I read on The Layman to be Biblio-idolatry’).

 

On this point, there’s a particularly illuminating exchange on the denominational blog of the Vice Moderator of the PCUSA General Assembly. This particular exchange takes place in a comment thread following a post that castigates The Layman. That’s not what’s relevant. What is relevant is the vice moderator’s answer to this reader:

 

Mr. Whitsitt,

The Westminster Confession says this: "VII. All things in Scripture are not alike plain in themselves, nor alike clear unto all; yet those things which are necessary to be known, believed, and observed, for salvation, are so clearly propounded and opened in some place of Scripture or other, that not only the learned, but the unlearned, in a due use of the ordinary means, may attain unto a sufficient understanding of them."

 

Even granting your point about Scripture not "containing" the full mind of God, we do still believe that some things are knowable through the "clear preponderance" of Scripture, do we not?

 

I do agree that your more vocal critics are guilty of creating a "straw man argument," over your paraphrased views. Yet, I cannot help wondering whether your beliefs about Sola Scriptura being "dead," are based not on a dispassionate contemplation of Biblical discernment generally, but instead as a foundational point towards arguing very specifically on behalf of gay ordination, gay marriage, etc.

 

Some American judges are rightly faulted for reasoning after the fact – that is, for starting with a desired verdict they wish to reach and trying to contrive a legal opinion to justify that conclusion.

 

I daresay those traditionalists within the lay community of PCUSA who were alarmed by your comments believe this to be the real agenda here. Are they wrong to think so?

Posted by: Joe Duffus | 09/21/2010 at 03:56 PM

 

[Whitsitt’s reply to Duffus]

I must admit, your honesty about what you believe my position to be is both refreshing and shocking. Either way, it is helpful. Thank you for allowing us to cut to the chase, and in honor of your forthrightness I will address what I understand your main question to be first:

 

No, sir, I argue specifically for the full inclusion of our LGBT sisters and brothers *because* of what I find in the scriptures, not despite it. If you do believe me (and I hope that you do), what you are left with is the real reality that someone claiming to be a faithful follower of Christ understands that relationship very differently than you do. I do not have an ulterior motive that must be exposed.

 

To your secondary question:

 

I do not disagree that (as the Confession says) some things are clearly knowable. Where the Confession and I differ however is whether or not our relationship with God in Christ is dependent on us knowing, believing, or observing anything in scripture. I do not believe it is. To establish humanity knowing, believing or observing something as a requirement for entering a relationship with Christ is an affront to the sovereignty of God, in my opinion.

 

However, even that sort of discussion is secondary to the real point I've been trying (perhaps poorly) to make all along. You have asked me to either agree or disagree with a paragraph from a confession in the same way that I assume you would like me to agree or disagree with various portions of the Bible. And, while I understand that impulse, would you also ask me to agree to a few passages from the Scots and Secodn Helvetic Confessions which, in no uncertain terms, state that women are forbidden from ecclesiastical duties such as preaching and the administration of sacraments? I'm sure you would not. And so, we are left with a conundrum: What do we do when we are sure that we have misunderstood in the past?

 

I acknowledge that you do not think we have misunderstood on some specific points, but I hope that this gives you some insight into my argument with the Sola. In my opinion what we should be emphasizing is Solo Verbo Dei (The Word of the Lord alone), while using scripture as the first point on a journey (Prima Scriptura) through tradition and communal discernment to ascertain it.

grace and peace to you.

Posted by: Landon Whitsitt | 09/21/2010 at 05:27 PM

 

So, the real question is not what Bible are you reading, but “how” are you reading the Bible? And of much greater importance, how is the Bible “reading” and then transforming, you?

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Comments  8

  • Steve King 2 Jun, 12:07 PM

    We use the same words. We use the same language. Yet, we do not use the same base for those words and language. We are both at the Grand Canyon. It is just that one is on the North Rim and the other on the South Rim. I care not which is which. The fact is we are separated by a mile deep ditch that is several miles across at the bottom of which is a raging river. We may be at the same place (Grand Canyon.) However, we look at it in diametrically different ways (North vs. South) and are separated by miles. We may be at the same place but we stand on totally different ground.
  • Joe Rutherford 2 Jun, 01:00 PM

    The vice moderator is correct.
    Joe Rutherford
    Tupelo
  • Gary Starkey 2 Jun, 02:57 PM

    The "divide" is clear. But what is gained restating it over and over? Not even a scrupulous scholar like Robert Gagnon has been able to persuade progressives to drink the water.

    What is needed now is a "Moses" who will lead the children "out"...

  • John A. Hirsch, ret'd Elder UP in USA 2 Jun, 06:06 PM

    Dear Carmen,

    Your descriptions of the two sides in two paragraphs describes the PCUSA present chaos well. The problem, sin, has been around prior to its name.
    According to the Scriptures, God created "male and female". (Gen. 2:18-25; Mt 19:4; Mk. 10:6 CEV) Grade- schoolers and intermediate students easily read and understand those texts. I t is highly unlikely the More Light Presbyterians are unable to read and/or understand texts at a schoolchild's level.


  • Larry Brown 2 Jun, 11:39 PM

    If one is no longer obligated to believe and obey Scripture, but rather use it as a "starting point" to be interpreted through personal preference, should not one do the same with the pronouncements of the General Assembly and other courts of the PCUSA? With no infallible Bible, it's like the book of Judges, everyone did what was right in his own eyes.
  • Jay Dull 3 Jun, 07:44 AM

    Whitsitt clearly is not a student of history and I wonder how he might explain the Biblical position of the founding fathers as they gave birth and life to our nation.

    I believe the words of Anatole Franced clearly capture where the PCUSA is today, "If forty million people do a foolish thing, it still a foolish thing". Whitsitt and other leadership within the PCUSA clearly do not understand that their foolish actions (and statements) have rendered the PCUSA a home only for those who seek to further the current culture and not follow the Word of God. Sad but true -- throughout history, corruption has been the fall of many once great nations-- Greece, Rome, etc. Now their corruptiuon of the Word has the PCUSA on the same path of self destruction. Clearly, the PCUSA leaders are not students of history, and apparesntly not of the Word of God. Remember, the LORD got is right the first time.
  • Casey Rathbun 15 Jun, 08:22 PM

    I choose this day to stop arguing about our prejudices that have nothing to do about the authority of Scripture and get on with what Christ calls us to do.
    I love what Walter Brueggemann says in "Biblical Authority: A Personal Reflection" This dispute tends to reduce what is rich and dangerous in the Bible to knowable technique, and what is urgent and immense to what is exhaustible trivia.
    Well, it's too important for that, because the dangers of the world are too great and the expectations of God are too large. What if liberals and conservatives in the church, for all our disagreement, would agree and put their energies to the main truth against the main threat? This is not to sneak in a victory about gays and lesbians for anybody, but to say that the issues before God's creation (of which we are stewards) are immense; those issues shame us in the church when our energy is deployed only to settle our anxieties. Shame,shame! Take a look at the real issues. We all know the list. What the Bible does is to insist that the world is not without God, not without the holy gift of life rooted in love. And yet we, in the meantime, twitter!

  • Beloved Spear 23 Jun, 06:35 PM

    What permits us to read and interpret Scripture is our personal engagement with the Paraclete. Absent our prayerfully seeking that illumination, the grace and transforming power of the Word is nothing more to us than text.
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