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gleaned from Western North Carolina Presbytery February 4, 2004 As I was leaving the January 31 meeting of Western North Carolina Presbytery, I turned to a colleague and commented, "This was the ugliest and saddest presbytery meeting I have ever attended!" During my long, eight-hour drive back to Pittsburgh, I reflected upon the events of the meeting. These are lessons I learned: Presbyterians with ill-intent can and will misuse and abuse our polity and process in order to accomplish the wrong things in order to satisfy personal agendas which are not in accordance with the Bible, the Reformed faith, our confessions, and the Book of Order. The abusive misuse of our process which was used to invalidate Parker Williamson's ministry replicates what Central Florida Presbytery did to Carmen Fowler; what Baltimore Presbytery did for Dan Stroud; and what Redwoods Presbytery did for Katie Morrison. A pattern of abuse at the hands of liberals is emerging. Liberals are not interested in unity in diversity, even though they have become quite adept at singing the 'We Are One Family" chorus. A terrible division, which may never heal, was created in Western North Carolina Presbytery by the desire of "liberals" to invalidate Parker Williamson's ministry. There never has been and there will never be any "unity in our diversity." If we are not "united in Christ," we are divided. The claim that the PCUSA is a "big tent" denomination is a lie. The "big tent" of the PCUSA only has doors on the far left side. Giving one person too much power kills the church. I was stunned and amazed at how much control and power Bill Taber, executive presbyter, has. Not only does he keep the minutes, but he also serves on the committee of three which approves them (one of the other two is a staff member under his supervision). Not only does he provide leadership to the Coordinating Council, but he freely amends their recommendations. Interestingly, you cannot introduce new business at the presbytery meeting. Everything that happens must first funnel through the Coordinating Council, which looks to Bill Taber for leadership. It did not take long to observe that this is "Bill Taber's Presbytery." No wonder the presbyters wanted to vote by secret ballot. The leaders of Western North Carolina Presbytery have tremendous control needs. It has been my observation that individuals and groups with high control needs do not trust others and are afraid of losing their power. I keep wondering, "Why are the leaders of Western North Carolina Presbytery afraid?" The recommendation, discussion and debate about invalidating Parker Williamson's ministry had nothing to do with Jesus, the Bible or our confessions. However, it had a lot to do with power and control. It has become clear to conservative evangelicals that speaking out against the powers to be is not a safe thing to do. This process was all about silencing Parker Williamson and all evangelical conservatives in the PCUSA. As one colleague asked me, "Who will they go after next?" Bill Taber's leadership has failed Western North Carolina Presbytery. A presbytery which once worked together well, despite differences, is now deeply divided. To a casual observer like me, it seemed as if Bill Taber was fully vested in invalidating Parker Williamson's ministry and that he wanted this done. It was equally clear that a significant minority in the presbytery disagreed with him. A good leader who cares for the whole church would have done all he could to prevent this from happening. Bill Taber has failed his presbytery and left it deeply divided. Furthermore, the presbytery will be consumed by this for a long time. Bill Taber should resign. The meeting of Western North Carolina Presbytery was horrendous. It was a dark and stormy day which divided the church, made a horrible witness and dishonored Jesus. It may be the meeting that buried the PCUSA. I hate to say it, but "I am no longer proud of my church!" Rev. L Rus Howard Peters Creek Presbyterian Church Venetia, Pa. Keep the faith, Parker February 4, 2004 Parker Williamson, I am sorry for the entire church of the actions taken by your presbytery. Keep the faith and fight the action. God bless. Deane Higgs Keep the faith, Parker February 4, 2004 About the vote on Parker Williamson's ministry There is no doubt in my mind and, I suspect, in the minds of most Presbyterians that this action was taken to silence the strongest voice against the liberalization and, thereby, the weakening of the testimony of the Presbyterian Church (USA). Personally, I am sick and tired of liberals in the church labeling as divisive those who stand up and speak out for the confessions that have guided our beloved denomination throughout its history. Parker Williamson and The Layman have consistently supported the Bible as the infallible Word of God, Jesus Christ as the only way to salvation, and the church's call to lead lives in accordance with God's will. Others in the church, however, have openly defied the church's constitution, advocated worship of the so-called goddess Sophia and have consistently ignored the votes of the people in the pews with their attempt to change the Book of Order to normalize a perverted and clearly sinful lifestyle. Our denomination has been losing members at a ridiculously rapid pace because people are fed up, not with the people who are standing up for the church's standards, but of those are doing their dead-level best to destroy the church from within. I don't know enough about church law to understand what steps need to be taken to reverse this outrageous action on the part of the Presbytery of Western North Carolina, but I hope the Presbyterian Lay Committee and Parker Williamson will take whatever steps necessary to get their ministry validated again. I know they will follow proper procedures, unlike the Western North Carolina Committee on Ministry which apparently developed their own unwritten criteria. It is, indeed, an uphill battle when conservatives follow the long-standing rules of the church while the liberals who are destroying our church openly defy the rules or refuse to enforce them. However, I am confident that God will bless the efforts of those who seek to build the church around the Bible, not those who are doing their best to conform the church to the world's lack of moral standards. Howard W. Tice, elder Southwest Presbyterian Chruch Wichita, Kansas The Lord is not done yet February 4, 2004 As one with you in the battle and the site of the next attack: Don't leave. Pray, work, wait on the Lord and for heaven's sake don't send per capita to Louisville – but don't leave. The Lord is not done yet. When God is done with this denomination, we will know and we will know together. This Western North Carolina Presbytery action is a sign that nothing good is in their camp and panic is setting in. God will fight for us – don't leave. Remember the sacrifices of those before us; these bones can yet live. Work, pray, redirect. Don't leave! Kirk Johnston Paola, Kansas Williamson working on 'behalf of the faithful' February 4, 2004 My prayers are with Rev. Williamson and the fine work he has been doing on behalf of 'the faithful.' I applaud his integrity, courage and conviction as a pastor. Your work has enormous value and I am praising the Lord for you. How sad that those in leadership positions would be found not only ungodly, but downright sinful. I am praying for you, and know that you will be greatly blessed. We know that you can never outgive God. May you be strengthened and given his wisdom as the battle continues – for it is a war you wage. God bless your ministry. Kaye Saylor Naples, Fla., and Johnstown, Pa. The 'invalidation fiasco' February 4, 2004 Memo to Parker Williamson: Hang in there, Parker, you have a lot of friends here in the Presbytery of San Joaquin who are rooting for you. I, personally, am very supportive of the nomination of Bob Davis for stated clerk of the PCUSA. Does he have a chance? Leonard D. Hansen, elder Woodlake Presbyterian Church Sad news from Western North Carolina February 4, 2004 Shame, shame, shame on the Presbytery of Western North Carolina! I can't recall a situation where blatant disregard for truth and factual evidence existed more openly than in this case. In plain language, "bald-face lies." In all the excellent letters to the Lay Committee in response to this terrible action, I think Bill Clayton of Shelby, N.C., really tells it like it is. The Biblical reference, Isaiah 5:20, 21, 24, certainly is appropriate. Those 150 people who voted to not validate Parker T. Williamson either have no conscience or will be nagged and have to live with their's for a long time to come. They chose to hide their face to vote, but they and the good Lord know who they are. I pray that some day, by God's grace, they repent and reverse this terrible action. I am so glad we have the Presbyterian Lay Committee and people like Parker T. Williamson to keep us informed as to what is happening. Otherwise, there would be a lot going on "under the table" that we would never hear about. I hear nothing through my normal church activities, but I am probably fast becoming an "outcast" in my local church as I speak up on the illegal things that are happening. After all, I am in the Hudson River Presbytery. I recently submitted a letter to my session requesting that my per-capita payment be stopped. It was read at the Jan. 14th meeting, but I have as yet to get a response. My prayers go out to Parker and the Lay Committee, as well as the PCUSA, in the hope that those who have turned away from the laws of the church and teachings of the Scriptures will come back to the fold and one day make us whole again. Howard Fogle Jr. Katonah Presbyterian Church Katonah, N.Y. Response to 'Lay Committee, Williamson vow to continue ministry' February 4, 2004 As an elder commissioner at the presbytery meeting on January 31st, I would just have a few reflections about the tone and approach of the Reverend Williamson, those showing support for him, and your editorial. A "long afternoon of contentious debate" did indeed occur. However, I believe that it became contentious when the Reverend Williamson's supporters began challenging the most minor of procedural issues. I was frankly very disappointed to see this occur, and I wondered if the Reverend Williamson had any connection to these rabble rousers or if they were just on their own. It was interesting to see the Committee on Ministry make its very reasoned and orderly presentation with three ministers and one certified Christian educator, while the Reverend Williamson's presentation was made by him, a minister, and two lawyers. I will say that I thought the Reverend Williamson made a kind and reasoned presentation. However, both lawyers made very threatening presentations which set the tone for the Reverend Williamson's approach for the day. I really don't think that approach was very Christ-like. It was the hope of many of us in the presbytery that the changing of the Reverend Williamson's status from validated to at-large would give the Reverend Williamson a way to be comfortable in what he does while at the same time remain a full member of presbytery. But, no, there was no sense of accountability on the Reverend Williamson's part. He showed no respect for his fellow presbyters, nor did he really acknowledge that they do indeed have some power over him and his ministry. After the vote, the Reverend Williamson, in a completely out of order action, came to the microphone on the lectern of the church. I thought, surely he's going to make some statement of love and respect to the presbytery. But, no, he began a bombastic rant, gaveled down by the moderator, for whom he showed no respect by continuing his ranting. Finally, he asked commissioners to come forward and to sign a document, that he already had prepared, which he purported "stay the order" if one-third of those present and voting signed it. Then, in the final and utter act of contempt, Parker Williamson laid these documents on the communion table, where rested the bread and cup! I had some love and concern for Mr. Williamson up until that point. Any elder, and certainly any minister, should know better than to desecrate the table upon which are placed the elements symbolizing our Lord's death, burial and resurrection. In summary, I'm sorry the presbytery had to meet into the night. I'm grieved by the Reverend Williamson's actions on the communion table. And finally, I'm most grieved by the fact that when we got to the end of the presbytery meeting, which was long after the vote on Parker Williamson, there were few if any of Parker's supporters, and certainly not Parker himself. Those who left missed a very uplifting and soothing communion service and for that they, and those of us who stayed, are the less. David Duncan, elder Black Mountain Presbyterian Church Now I know what to ask my session to do February 3, 2004 Well, well, well – the presbytery that Parker belongs to has shown its stripes: Ask people to consider what to do with their money that might (would) have a better chance of honoring Jesus Christ than handing it over to a denomination that has bordered on apostasy for years (and has definitely slipped over that line on more than one occasion) and the denomination bites back – hard. Our fate as a denomination seems to have been narrowed to two: death or schism. And the way we evangelicals have ineffectually dithered in recent years, I suspect that it will be death. But now I know what to say to my session, which has wondered again (for only the second time in our history) whether to withhold per capita. I will tell them that the best thing I know to do with it will be to send it, lock, stock and barrel, to The Layman. What better way to use that money! If my elders are thinking straight, then you folks will receive another large check from us this year. Blessings on all of you for speaking truth when so few of the rest of us seem to have the guts to do so. Marc Benton Bethlehem Church (I try to avoid the "Presbyterian" label as often as possible) New Windsor, N.Y. Williamson and PLC 'have been blessed by what happened' February 3, 2004 They say there are two things you don't want to witness being made – legislation and sausage. However, from the sound of the letters from eyewitnesses to the WNC Presbytery's debacle, most of which were still smoldering from the anger and disappointment that compelled them, the writers might have been well-advised to spare themselves the anguish. But it's also possible that they, and all of us through them, have witnessed a miracle and didn't even recognize it. Dear brother Parker, you and your ministry have been blessed by what happened. In your heart of hearts, I suspect you know exactly what I mean. Consider this: We know the Lord was in control of what happened. He knows your heart and he knows what has been happening to his church. There can be no doubt that he is greatly disappointed and no doubt that he is more angry than any of us can even imagine. Can you see his hand in this? He must persuade those of us of goodwill, by our own experience, that we cannot walk in the council of the wicked, nor stand in the way of sinners, nor sit in the seat of scoffers. Otherwise, our human desire to be liked, to work within even an abjectly corrupt system, to be patient with sin, to be tolerant of misbehavior – that human desire overwhelms the voice of the Spirit, calling on us to run away as fast as we can. This miracle was God's separating the wheat from the chaff. The wheat has a great purpose – some provides nourishment, some is meant to be consecrated. Which is to say, you were blessed to be a blessing. Please continue to lead The Layman and the laypeople of the church to his purpose. Don't seek to undo what God has accomplished. It was part of a greater plan. Instead, keep your eye on the prize. Lead us to sanctuary and away from this apostate denomination. May God continue to bless you and your ministry. Jack O'Brien Pittsburgh, Pa. The Layman is a 'vitally important publication' February 3, 2004 I believe that The Layman publication is a Godly and vitally important publication in which we are made aware of the many ways in which the enemy is attempting to undermine and destroy the PCUSA. I just looked up G.11.0403 in the Book of Order in which it describes the criteria for a ministry. I firmly believe all of these are met and surpassed by The Layman. Our congregation became a Confessing Church in great part because of The Layman. I would like to thank each person involved in the publication for your dedication and service to our Heavenly Father. My prayer is that God will continue to strengthen each of you daily that you may continue to be faithful in serving God in whatever ministry he calls you to. I personally am becoming quite discouraged, but God has not called me to move on yet, so I strive to serve him where I am with all my heart. While my joy in Christ is unconditional, my heart is heavy with sorrow, as I believe Christ's heart is, as I see so many ways in which we as a denomination have been unfaithful. Jacquie Bailey, elder First Presbyterian Church of Monrovia, Calif. Message to WNC clergy was quite clear: 'Shut up or you are next' February 3, 2004 Well, here it is Monday morning and the PCUSA finds itself reeling from the aftershocks of what turned out to be a public lynching of a good and faithful servant of our Savior Christ. His crime? Simply behaving in accordance with his conscience to live a life which reflects true Christian discipleship. What was the Reverend Williamson thinking when he decided to stand in opposition to the continued apostate behavior at the highest levels of our denomination? What he clearly didn't think was that the rot at the top has spread so far that an executive presbyter (simultaneously serving as stated clerk of that presbytery) seems to have anointed himself bishop of Western North Carolina. The message to the clergy of WNC was quite clear – "Shut up or you are next." Is it any wonder that this can happen in the PCUSA of 2004? It shouldn't be. The letter from H.D. Valentine illustrates as well as anything could the widespread level of ignorance about our essential tenets, historical polity and faithful living. Like far too many in the church, H. D. probably wishes "we could all just get along" and thinks Mr. Kirkpatrick is doing a fine job in Louisville. The fact of the matter is that Mr. Kirkpatrick has failed to exercise any leadership in his tenure as stated clerk. On his watch:
Really, H.D. Valentine, are these the marks of a "good, decent and very competent" stated clerk? Are these really the marks of Biblical responsibility? Perhaps, if one has adopted the loose-leaf Bible of the radical left church deconstructionists. Sorry H. D., but a strong belief in Christ precludes a theology of accommodation. Rev. James C. Yearsley Pittsburgh, Pa. Presbytery attempts to appease critics while getting its desired outcome February 3, 2004 The Presbytery of Western North Carolina has now voted to no longer validate the ministry of Parker Williamson; however, they have given him status as minister-at-large. It would seem that the presbytery is attempting to appease their critics while still having their desired outcome. There are certainly constitutional issues that need to be dealt with in this issue. I am grateful to see that the decision will be appealed. The idea that the ministry of Parker is not valid (in his position as editor with The Layman, although his at-large ministry is to be considered valid), while the ministry of Steve Strickler in the same organization is valid raises at least a flag of caution. And the statements by the Committee on Ministry (COM) about the Book of Order standards for validating ministry are questionable. And there is the whole question of a "valid ministry" as opposed to a "ministry validated by the presbytery." I am confident that history will show that the presbytery made a grave error of judgment in this action. Brian Ahier The Dalles, Ore. A prayer request for those who stood firm February 3, 2004 I'm not surprised by the Presbytery of Western North Carolina's vote to invalidate the ministry of the Presbyterian Lay Committee, but I'm one mad born-again Christian. I thank God that 106 voters stood firm for continuing to affirm the PLC ministry. May God bless them and protect them from the vindictiveness likely to follow for their courageous stand. I'm blessed to have them as brothers and sisters in Christ Jesus. Thank you brothers and sisters. You will be upheld in my prayers. As for the 150 others, you are in my prayers, too, but for entirely different reasons. I believe you must repent as I find I must repent daily. Art Montgomery First Presbyterian Church Salt Lake City, Utah May God bless the witness of Williamson and the Lay Committee February 3, 2004 Since receiving the news of the Presbytery of Western North Carolina's action against Parker Williamson and the Lay Committee on Saturday, the words of Jesus, long ago memorized and now distinctly apropos, have come to mind repeatedly:
I am confident that the witness of Parker and the Lay Committee will continue and prosper despite past, present and future obstacles erected by the powers that be. If this ministry is, as I believe it to be, truly inspired and blessed by our Lord, it must eventually triumph – with, without or despite the PCUSA and its minions in the Presbytery of Western North Carolina. May God richly bless the work and witness of Parker Williamson and the Lay Committee. Warren B. Howe, MD Bellingham, Wash. A prayer in the aftermath of Asheville February 3, 2004 Christ taught us to pray for those who curse and persecute you, bless and curse not. It makes no sense to vent one's anger, even though justified, but the Body of Christ must pray for Parker, and for those who voted Parker out. It is unnatural to proclaim praying for your enemies, but we must, as Christ taught us, "Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do." Louis S. Nowasielski Process was shabby, disgraceful and shameful February 2, 2004 I was there at the meeting for the entire time of the debate and action. As it was made clear in the debate, the proposed action of the presbytery was, ultimately, in various parts unconstitutional. But presbytery's leadership was not to be deterred in its intent, no matter what the Book of Order says. The presentations by the Committee on Ministry, providing so-called evidence that had not been laid before Rev Williamson in order that response might be made, further showed that this was a "done deal" so far as the presbytery was concerned. It was also claimed by at least one member of presbytery who had been on the original Validating (or is it "de-validating") Committee that the original action had been precipitated by communication from the Office of the Stated Clerk of the General Assembly. Whether or not this is true, only the guilty know. I recall that, during the various times that Amendment "B" was being debated in past years, it was the liberal side of the church that claimed that, if it were to become part of our constitution, why then "witch hunts" would take place to root out those who were not complying. How ironic that it is the liberals who are doing the "witch hunting." Further, the executive and stated clerk of the presbytery, in the early skirmishing over whether the entire proceeding might be videotaped, or have some pictures taken by those who wanted to, insisted that the work of the presbytery there gathered was their business and theirs alone, and not the business of the rest of the church. Therefore, there was no need for videotaping so that others might later observe the process, and discovered truly what happened. He needs to review his Book of Order, which reminds us all that the work of particular churches (congregations) wherever they are, taken collectively, constitute one church. So all of us who claim to be Presbyterians, members of congregations of the PCUSA had a dog in that fight, because the travesty of justice that occurred there happened to us all. It matters not whether one agrees with the work of the Presbyterian Lay Committee, or of Parker Williamson individually. The entire process, managed by presbytery's leadership, was shabby, disgraceful and shameful. At the end, it was capped off by the moderator's attempting (unsuccessfully) to prevent Rev. Williamson from announcing that the decision would be appealed, and that an effort to stay the decision would also be made. The work of presbytery did nothing to further the peace, unity and purity of the presbytery, or of the entire denomination. It did nothing to serve the task of preservation of the truth, and it was certainly not an exhibition of the kingdom of Heaven to the world (see Book of Order G-1.0200.) I expect that this decision will be successfully appealed, and indeed it should be. Those who pulled it off have begun the first phase of the split of the Presbyterian Church (USA), and they should not only be ashamed, they should become, by God's grace, repentant, and work to undo their dirty deed. Stephen A. Moss, H.R. Salisbury, N.C. Williamson got 'invigorated,' not 'invalidated' February 2, 2004 In one of the Rocky movies, the cornerman laments, "Rocky's getting killed!" Pauly, who knows Rocky better, says, "He's not getting killed . . . he's getting mad!" Now that I am home from Asheville, and have had a chance to reflect on the meaning of the events that occurred there last Saturday, I think too many of us may be like Rocky's cornerman. I don't think Parker Williamson got "killed;" but I think he got "mad." and I don't think the Presbyterian Lay Committee got "invalidated;" they got invigorated! Maybe now we will see some real leadership for change in the PCUSA. (And, PLC, if we don't, you will be telling the denomination that it's OK to invalidate the ministry of anyone who does not toe the liberal line.) We have been lukewarm far too long! It is time we stop "getting killed" and start "getting mad!" If we don't act now, it will soon be too late. The Presbytery of Western North Caroline has shown us the liberal battle plan: Invalidate those who dare to get in their way. James Tuckett 'How much longer we will remain as a house completely divided against itself' February 2, 2004 I have never attended a meeting of any kind where spiritual warfare was more present and active than at the Presbytery of Western North Carolina meeting in Asheville, N.C. As Presbyterians working for renewal within the denomination, we can stand firm and defend truth in hope that God will use us to refute heresy. I have been skeptical about the idea of "gracious separation," but now I cannot help but ask, how much longer we will remain as a house completely divided against itself? When will every congregation be able to pay percapita in good conscience? And when will we be able to appropriate the bulk of our energy toward reaching this lost world for the sake of the Gospel? The kingdom is advancing in churches obedient to Christ's call. We have been entrusted with the imperative responsibility of carrying out God's mission in history. Will we shake the dust off our feet and execute this Great Commission, or will we continue to stagnantly debate those whose ears are closed? God will move and his kingdom will advance with or without the Presbyterian Church (USA). It seems that we have a decision to make; a decision that rides on obedience to our Lord and Savior. When and what will we decide? Nikki Daane YAD, 215th General Assembly First Presbyterian Church Oostburg, Wisc. Evangelical, conservative, Bible-believing Christians are not welcome in PCUSA February 2, 2004 What further proof do we need? Evangelical conservative, Bible-believing, Christians are not welcome in the Presbyterian Church (USA). Let me put that differently, we are indeed welcome as long as we are willing to embrace paganism and perversion. We have been patiently and prayerfully waiting for the Lord to lead. Now's the time to follow! The Lord led his people OUT of bondage. Now the direction we need to take ought to be clear. Here's what we should do: 1. If you are giving to Louisville ... stop right now. 2. Boycott the 216th General Assembly. Let's call a Constitutional Assembly 3. Deny the PCUSA. It denies Christ regularly, has embraced paganism and regularly winks at blessing perversion. 4. Quit worrying about property and pensions. The Sovereign God of the Universe will provide. Earl Tilford Grove City, Pa. Action more like 'slap in face' than 'gracious compromise' February 2, 2004 Well, the Presbytery of Western North Carolina has gone and done it. They have invalidated Parker Williamson's ministry, and have demoted him to member-at-large. This is much more a slap in the face than it is a gracious compromise! So now we can safely say that the purge has begun ... the purge of those who courageously and publicly state that we should prayerfully consider whether the PCUSA is our best stewardship choice when it comes to the Lord's resources. While God will continue to do his work regardless of what denominations choose to do corporately, we must remember that the church's real function is to show others the way to Christ. What is sole purpose of the PCUSA's choice of missions? For me, the answer will act as my benchmark for determining whether the PCUSA is capable of acting as a faithful steward. And until the day comes that the PCUSA demonstrates that they are capable of such a responsibility, I will continue to urge others to be good stewards and prayerfully consider redirecting their per capita to worthy organizations. We can't be far from the day when the PCUSA will begin terminating the membership of those people in the pews that publicly disagree with their mission and stewardship choices. When that day comes, I challenge them to start with me! And when they do, I will continue to take comfort in Psalms 118:8, "It is better to take refuge in the Lord than to trust in man." David Morrison Pittsburgh, Pa. Commissioners went through torturous exercise of discipline by administrative action February 2, 2004 It will be a wonder if the hospitals around Asheville, N.C., are not filled with patients complaining of severe back pain, after the Presbytery of Western North Carolina put its commissioners through a torturous exercise of discipline by administrative action. It would have almost been funny, but for the extremely dangerous precedent established when the presbyters voted to invalidate a ministry, separate a minister in good standing from that ministry, and try to appear benign in its craven action by attempting to manipulate an unwilling minister into the status of "at-large" member. If only Caiaphas had been as determined to try and neutralize the Lord without crucifying him ..." All right Jesus, all this hostile language about white-washed tombs, and broods of vipers, that's really unacceptable, so we're going to have to invalidate your ministry in the name of the Father. But you can be an 'at-large' Rabbi, as long as you learn to curb your tongue." Somehow, I believe if Caiaphas had tried this strategy the Lord would have spit it back in his face, and Parker Williamson is not likely to accept the ruling of the presbytery, in spite all the contortions it went through to try and force it on him. Jim Wilken, pastor First Presbyterian Church Marion, N.C. Can't condone the unfairness, arrogance of those 'in charge' February 2, 2004 It is indeed a tragedy to learn that the Presbytery of Western North Carolina voted to invalidate the ministry of the Presbyterian Lay Committee. As we understand the situation, the Lay Committee is in the business of journalistic information. Since when is the dissemination of information a high crime and misdemeanor among Christians? We continue to watch this situation carefully and will be making our decisions accordingly in the next weeks and months. This, of course, will involve any money going to PCUSA at this decision-making time. While we have always been proud of our Presbyterian heritage and affiliation, we can no longer condone the unfairness, the arrogance, the unBiblical spirit of those "in charge" of a once proud and humble denomination whose purpose was to preach and teach the Biblical truths to all generations. We now find ourselves in the strange position of having to give excuses to our young adult children for why we remain affiliated. To say that such church arrogance and pride have disrupted our own spiritual peace of mind is to put it mildly and sadly. John and Joan Yee 'You should now accept the forbearance of your fellow presbyters' February 2, 2004 We can now all rejoice in the actions today of the Presbytery of Western North Carolina. Their decision not to validate the Presbyterian Lay Committee as an appropriate expression of their mission and witness to the world comes at a time of great difficulty in the PCUSA. We should stand together and sing the Doxology for their having proceeded decently and in order in their deliberations. Now they have decided to declare Parker T. Williamson a member at large, he is able to continue as CEO and as editor in chief of the PLC. He can continue to sing his songs of schism and promote his Declaration of Conscience as a thinly veiled effort for his notion that the gracious bankruptcy of our mission budget will some how convince the General Assembly to march to his tune. Every thing will be the same for him as before, yet every thing has been transformed. The difference is that he will have to rant and rave without the imprimatur of the church. Sorry, Parker, your plans have backfired. You will not be able to say that you were treated unfairly or unjustly by your fellow presbyters of Western North Carolina. You are still an ordained Presbyterian minister and have all the rights and privileges you have always had. Parker, you knew the rules from the day were ordained. Now you will have to live by them. You should now accept the forbearance of your fellow presbyters and find some new way to act out of your ordination vows in manner that is more uplifting and edifying. You could chart a course that is constructive rather than destructive and more unifying than schismatic. David Walters First Presbyterian Church Andalusia, Ala. 'Hypocrite scribes' did not validate the ministry of our Lord Jesus Christ February 2, 2004 The decision of Presbytery of Western North Carolina, not to validate the ministry of the Rev. Parker T. Williamson is no surprise to the United Presbyterian Church of Pakistan. We know well enough the working of PCUSA. When they don't have argument they have punishment. The comments on the "character and conduct of the work" of the Presbyterian Lay Committee was according to the policy of PCUSA. These people who have disregard for every code of conduct of Christianity could not swallow the success of "Confessing Church Movement" and now the "Declaration of Conscience" of the Presbyterian Lay Committee. Yet the presbytery and its 150 members are forgetting that "hypocrite scribes" did not validate the ministry of our Lord Jesus Christ. In March 2001, at the start of "Confessing Church Movement," I did think of such action from some corner of PCUSA. In less than three years the action was taken by sidelining of a dedicated servant of Lord Jesus Christ who was trying to bring Christian values in the church that has turned into "Devil's Tool." I have a personal message for Rev Parker T. Williamson. Don't be disheartened, before you these people have tried to invalidate the ministry of the apostles of Lord Jesus Christ. Remember, they told Saint Peter not to preach in the name of Lord Jesus Christ. "And they called them, and commanded them not to speak at all nor teach in the name of Jesus." (Acts 4:18). These "priests and elders" can't stand the name of Lord Jesus Christ. They will stand the judgment. Also please read Matthew Chapter 5 Verses 10-12. Bishop Timotheus Nasir Presbyterian Bishop of Pakistan The United Presbyterian Church of Pakistan Gujranwala Pakistan. It is time to shake the dust of WNC Presbytery off our shoes February 2, 2004 To all who had to endure the unprecedented antics of this most recent antithetical meeting of Western North Carolina Presbytery, look up! This did not happen without the Lord God Almighty's notice. I think we have all known all along that you could not mix oil and water, for the water is no longer potable. As Scripture says, although light dispels darkness, the darkness comprehended it not! To me, as applied to our situation, I think this means, no matter what light we shed on presbytery meetings, the darkness will not comprehend it. It also means to me, that we must shine our light in places where darkness has not prevailed, where the fields are white unto harvest and much work is to be done for the Lord, because many are waiting to be led to death without the precious knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. Is this something that God may be saying to us today? Are we about his business or about vindicating ourselves before those who do not, and will not, understand the gravity of their error? Personally, I believe it is time for us to shake the dust of WNC Presbytery off our shoes and march on to bigger and better places and things. As Abraham separated from Lot and his tribe, as Lot fled Sodom and did not look back, as Moses and the Israelites fled Pharaoh and Egypt, as Joshua said to all the people, "But if serving the LORD seems undesirable to you, then choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve, whether the gods your forefathers served beyond the River, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you are living. But as for me and my household, we will serve the LORD." Let us choose to serve the Lord and separate from darkness, and flee those who do not choose to serve the Lord but their own bellies! We can know longer serve God in this place ... we are under command of the Lord not to have fellowship with darkness. May God prosper us who seek to serve him and his cause and be done with lesser things. People are sick, people are hurting, people are dying without Jesus and his love ... let us be about this business and leave the havoc that this denomination has brought upon itself. Glenda Smith What was the reaction of OGA and Louisville staff? February 2, 2004 If the Presbytery of Western North Carolina will not validate the ministry of the Presbyterian Lay Committee, I wonder what ministries the presbytery does validate? I would like to know the ones of which they approve? I'm not sure I would want to be a part of "their" ministries! And as a cynical bugger, I wonder about the reaction the OGA and the rest of the Louisville staff had to the "news?" Was it predestined -- both the vote and the reaction? Art Montgomery First Presbyterian Church Salt Lake City 'Bone' thrown to Williamson was a feeble gesture February 2, 2004 I am not surprised, yet I am deeply saddened that the Presbytery of Western North Carolina voted Saturday night not to validate the ministry of the Presbyterian Lay Committee. And to throw Parker Williamson a "bone" granting him member-at-large status is a feeble gesture. Speaking to the character and conduct of the work of the Lay Committee, I know of no organization that, while they remained firmly resolved to tell the truth -- even painful truth, has so carefully discerned how to respond "that it may give grace to those that hear." Thomas F. Kemner Fort Worth, Texas How much longer can we push God's patience with faulted theology? February 2, 2004 What did the Presbytery of Western North Carolina actually do? They invalidated the ministry of the Presbyterian Lay Committee in their presbytery and made Parker Williamson a member-at-large. Many of us have already considered Parker larger than life for his insistence that the PCUSA adhere to Biblical principles. Does this really change Parker's status as a minister? I am confused. Does it really matter what the Presbytery of Western North Carolina did? Parker Williamson is truly a Godly man; a man of conscience and integrity. Too bad that these characteristics are not contagious. We need to infect our headquarters in Louisville with some willingness to abide by our constitution and force rogue congregations and presbyteries to likewise abide. How much longer can we push God's patience with faulted theology? Bill Arthur Tucson, AZ My 'tone' is harsher than Parker's because I am so ashamed of this church February 2, 2004 This is a sad statement of our denomination, not only for where it is now, but for where it is going. What ever happened? Does someone have a new inside track to God? Is God now telling us "wait a minute ... you have it all wrong! ... Jesus is not the only way to heaven ... Hey, I never had anything against gays and bisexuals, ordain them if you want … and lighten up, not everything I said in the Bible is exactly true." Where in the Bible does God tell us that a human life has no value so that we can go against all logic and Christian common sense and tell mothers, "okay … go ahead and abort that baby … you're a Presbyterian right? … tear it to shreds … God is with you. Just don't buy any tacos at Taco Bell, those tomatoes are bad for you." These are points that Parker Williamson stood up against. My tone is meant to be harsher than his because I am so ashamed of this church. The Presbyterian Church (USA) believes in Christ with a lower case "c." They have failed as a denomination and have become an abomination. Are not we all just proud as punch to belong to this new Presbyterian Abomination. Ron Groetsema, member Reems Creek-Beech Presbyterian Church Weaverville, N.C. Today's actions can't be supported by the Bible February 2, 2004 To the Presbytery of Western North Carolina: May God have mercy on your souls! You have messed with what the Holy Spirit was and is doing in the PCUSA. Mr. Parker Williamson and The Layman provide the one true voice of what is really happening in the PCUSA and the church in America. The Presbyterian Church in the USA is quickly becoming an apostate organization due to the lack of their faithfulness to the Holy Scriptures and to the basic question of "Who is Jesus?" Your current answers and today's actions as an organization certainly can't be found or supported by the Bible or any other men of God throughout history. The PCUSA is and will continue to fall into ineffectiveness because you have quenched what the Spirit of God is doing in our midst. You're striving to become "everything-to-all-people" at the cost of the truth! Oh I know, truth is in the opinion of the beholder or is whatever you want it to be. Regardless of your post-modern views, you're wrong in today's actions against Parker Williamson. Your actions today certainly give evidence to the words found in Isaiah 5:20,21,24
I am now asking that the Western N.C. Presbytery repent of their actions today and pray and seek the will of God found in the Holy Scriptures. Also, may you reverse your decision today against Parker Williamson! Bill Clayton Shelby, N.C. Tolerance and acceptance seems to only go one way February 2, 2004 I would like someone to answer a question for me: Why is it that a ministry and person involved in that ministry can be invalidated and status changed by a presbytery because they don't like what they say or stand for? Could it be that the Presbyterian Lay Committee and Parker Williamson is shedding light on situations that the PCUSA would rather keep the lights out on? We are always talking about tolerance and acceptance ... but it seems that only goes one way. Shame on you Presbytery of Western North Carolina! Debbie Morrison Hamilton, Ohio Questioning the validation of Jane Spar February 2, 2004 What can we now do to raise the question of the invalidation of such ministries of the organizations such as that of Jane Spar? The Rev. Mr. John K. Wilson, pastor Presbyterian Church of Kamrar, Iowa Action is no surprise; it really is about the money February 2, 2004 There should be no surprise in the action taken by the Western N.C. Presbytery. The lackeys of Louisville have spoken! In fact they have really validated Rev. Williamson's work, it really is all about the money. I wonder what they will do with their 30 pieces of silver? Let there be no doubt the battle has moved to a new level. Jay Weemhoff Badin, N.C. Proud to see ministers, sessions and elders support Williamson February 2, 2004 I was there and it wasn't pretty. I'm real sorry it turned out that way. I like your enthusiasm and commitment, it stimulates me. I was proud to see so many ministers, sessions and elders supporting Parker Williamson and The Layman. My minister (Matt Brown) is all ready to deprogram me after my support today of Parker Williamson. After all I am an elder at Morganton First, Bill Taber's backyard. Richard Conway Leadership is 'unwilling to stand a test of conviction' February 2, 2004 Granting Parker Williamson at-large status while invalidating the Lay Committee ministry is about as contradictory as it comes. This is the trouble with our leadership today. They are unwilling to stand a test of conviction, thus when the Bible spells out truth that is painful to their lifestyle, the leadership is willing to bend the rules. This decision spells out the exact problem with the leadership. Unwilling to stand firm on their beliefs, and suffer all the consequences (good or bad). Peter Nelson La Quinta, Calif. Presbytery's action: About time February 2, 2004 It's about time!!! Rick Huntsinger Williamson may be first to achieve negotiated separation from the PCUSA February 2, 2004 As a brother in Christ I congratulate you in your victory over the attempt to silence you. I believe that you may be the first individual to achieve a kind of negotiated separation from the PCUSA. Perhaps it was God's grace to preserve your ability to follow in the company of God's prophets to bring his voice and commands concerning the unrequited sins of our not so beloved PCUSA. Parker, I have been associated with and supportive of the Presbyterian Lay Committee since the late 1960s when I served with several others on an organizing committee in the Los Angeles area. That is almost as long as I have been an elder. I have never been ashamed of being a member of the PLC, but in the last few years I have been ashamed to confess to my other denominational friends and acquaintances that I am an ordained officer in the PCUSA. At present I am estranged from the church which I helped organize in 1964 and on whose session I have served for a combined total of over 14 years. The pastor does not accept John 14:6 so I have found a safe harbor in the church I left over 40 years ago to be on the organizing committee since I cannot serve or accept Communion under her. Yet, my heart is still there and I would return the Sunday following her departure. So you see, I too am a kind of member-at-large from my first love. So let's all hang in there and keep praying that things will be better until Gracious Separation happens or the Lord sends us a better solution. God bless you in keeping up your good works! Ray Harper Support for Williamson February 2, 2004 We love you and support you. Stay close to the light and your way will be shown clearly. Randy and Carol Wolff Wind River Ranch and Fireside Ministries Proof of the exclusivity of the PCUSA February 2, 2004 This proves the exclusivity of our denomination and I am truly sorry. I hope the committee continues because we need to hear the full story. I'm praying for you. Roy Koerner, elder Complete agreement with theology and mission February 2, 2004 I'm not sure whether it was a Holy Spirit nudge or just an awakening, but I was thinking that I take great comfort in all of the information that I get from the Layman Web site and realized that I am not contributing financially to support it. I am in complete agreement with it's theology and mission and I desire to help support it in some way. Please let me know how I can send financial support. Burr Sheely Great Bridge PC Chesapeake, Va. The hijacking of basic Biblical teachings is no longer tolerable February 2, 2004 My wife and I began to seek a new church family closer to our home. We will continue to support the PLC and we firmly support the Presbyterian form of government. We are, however, avoiding PCUSA affiliated churches as all but about six in our presbytery are, or lead toward, the new light theology or philosophy. The hijacking of the most basic of Biblical teachings by the Church we have served for our entire lifetime is no longer tolerable. The sin of toleration is just too prevalent today for us to continue to be associated with this denomination. We want to receive balanced teachings on the three persons of the Trinity; and of love, justice and judgment to challenge our own sinful hearts. May our Lord Jesus continue to bless your work and that of Parker Williamson in so far as you follow his Word and the leading of his Holy Spirit. Jerry & Bob McGregor Implosion of PCUSA has been initiated February 2, 2004 I believe that 150 presbyters have just decided to initiate the implosion of the PCUSA. James K. Parmerlee Williamson vs. Kirkpatrick for stated clerk February 2, 2004 For a clean cut up and down vote, Parker Williamson should run for stated clerk against Cliff Kirkpatrick. The issues would be cut and dried, decision final. If Williamson wins, he could clean house in Louisville. Would take about one year, then he could return to his editorial desk. David Howard Jacksonville, Fla. Williamson's gracious character has been handled so wrongly February 2, 2004 Our prayers and support continue to be with you and The Layman. Thank you for all your ongoing efforts to bring our denomination to repentance and transformation through Christ Jesus. Unfortunately those who have a form of godliness but deny the power of the Gospel will eventually separate us. I am grieved that your gracious character has been handled so wrongly. Frank Motovidlak Levittown, Pa. Actions suggests 'it will be impossible to reform the PCUSA from within' February 2, 2004 The action of the Presbytery of Western North Carolina suggests it will be impossible to reform the PCUSA from within. There are too many members who have become comfortable with the self-affirming theology of the PCUSA and too many pastors who are bound to the corporate structure to expect meaningful change. We should lobby to have church property returned to the local congregations (which may have some general appeal) and then set up some central structure for the Confessing Churches to coalesce around. The Layman, now officially labeled an enemy, might just as well take the lead in this effort. John Cowan Cartersville, Ga. Trust God will use decisions made on Saturday February 2, 2004 Your brothers and sisters in Philadelphia have been holding all of you in our prayers as you sought to bring a faithful witness during this time. Thank you for bringing that witness! We trust our Sovereign Lord, for what he will do with the decision made on Saturday. Our prayers continue to be with all of you. Our love to Parker! Anita Bell The liberal faction in PCUSA is creating a schism February 2, 2004 The Layman has been, in my opinion, "the voice of those in the trenches" for many years. The action Saturday by WNCP is further indication that the liberal faction within PCUSA is creating a schism that may never be rejoined. As a former clerk of session within Beaver-Butler Presbytery and also a former member of Synod of the Trinity, I am appalled at what is happening. We need The Layman to continue staying the course. John Hillman |
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